I've been preaching stuff like that for a while now,

but he certainly says it a lot better then I do

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High school teaches you go to college so you can get a job, college teaches you to get a masters so you can get a job, the job market says you need 3-4 years of experience so you can get a job. Hell what is the whole point of this get a good job thing anyway. How do you get 3-4 years experience if know one is willing to hire you cause you are fresh out of college and you have not had any experience yet. You end up back at square one. Then you get into the job market finally only to realize half the shit you were trying to learn in college you were never actually taught.


True, so true. My Russian TA is having this type of problem now. Fortunately, the company's very impressed with her resume, so who knows?

You basically spend your whole life learning stuff that in the end you will probably never use. Like me and Linguistics -- while I would have preferred to go to an Art School or majored in Design or something, because I LOVE to draw and I've never taken art classes so it might have been good to take some. But I had to go and study something that would keep me financially secure. Luckily, I like learning languages and its origins, roots, etc. so I took Linguistics as a major. It will also help me for the translation field (I'm hoping for a job here in the far future.) But some of the things that I've been taught are of no use to me unless I'm thinking of teaching. And I don't So unless you try and see 'ok, who wants to be this or this", you're basically learning everything, even if you wont need it. Sometimes, it's bad, sometimes it's good.


Haha, it's funny. Last semester I was telling my other Russian TA about my decision to study Linguistics instead of art and she said "well, that's ridiculous. I study what I love to do, not what I should do." Well, yeah but 1) I like Linguitics either way and 2) it's very hard to survive on doing comics/illustrations only, especially at the beginning. So yeah, sometimes you will need to study stuff that you don't want for future jobs, just so you can at least have food and clothing

I don't know if this was an appropriate response to what you meant to say, but I just wanted to say it, 'cuz I thought it seemed like that >___>;;

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this guy's pretty funny, and i think his ideas are good and it's unfortunate what happens to some people in school. i know some artists who go to various art schools and get sort of "brainwashed" and they end up, perhaps unknowingly, sacrificing a unique style or whatever for technical skill. but that's not always the case, so i don't think anyone should write-off "education" or schools/colleges in general. i went to elementary-high school and all that and my teachers, throughout all those years, were overall very supportive and some even let me doodle during class when i was a kid. my high school had lots of available art classes of different kinds, and i also went to college and maybe not directly because of any of those experiences, but these days i feel more creative than ever. so i guess what i mean is that i think things like this are on a case by case basis, regardless of the sweeping generalities of the "educational system."

obviously when kids are younger it can be easy to squash creativity and mold them, but people aren't always out to do that. and in college, some people are really susceptible and impressionable to the "professor talk" and get really wrapped up in it, which is fine, but it doesn't have to be that way, you can resist.

personally i don't think things are as dire as this speaker seems to be making them out to be; yeah there are unfortunate cases where kids' creativity is redirected or crushed by overbearing and non-supportive adults, but there are also a great many cases like the one about the Cats dance choreographer.

I have wanted to be an animator since I was a child but in my opinion everyone else I knew wanted me to act and be a way that would allow me to serve them. you want to be liked so you conform to there beliefs and set your own likes and dislikes aside.

I hear you on that! My dad wants me to learn more about web design, and the only reason why... so that I can create and maintain websites of the parishes HE works for. I HATE webdesign, I've forced myself to forget as much about it as I possibly can and have thrown out all but one of my books on the subject. I am an illustrator, I can and DO make good money off of the work I create. I don't get health insurance or benefits, that's something I have to purchase for myself, I have to do all of the hard work myself. Bee-Hive Studios is now a legal tax paying business, so all of that business end stuff of it I'm learning, but it's all steps towards my final goal of being able to live off of what I LOVE doing.

I don't want to be stuck in a boring office cubicle sorting customer files for an insurance company, I don't want to continue running a register and bagging groceries for people whom don't give a shit, I don't want to hold a humdrum boring job just to "have security". Where's the fun and imagination in that?

I totally agree with what Ken Robinson says about schools... hell, everyday PEOPLE, society in general, killing the creativity in kids, telling them they're not good enough to be an artist or a dancer or a painter or writer or poet or actor or musician. If it's something that doesn't have definite security in the end, either for the kid as she or he grows up, or for their parents, or for the community, then it's not something that's encouraged. If it's something that that kid actually has to become creative with and learn and advance and create and THINK, then it's not encouraged.

When I was in high school, 1993 till 1997, my high school STANK as far as their arts and music classes went. The art classes were mostly taken by those thick headed jocks and twitty side kick bubble heads they called girlfriends because they thought the classes were going to be easy. Thankfully, though, even with a VERY limited budget from the school board for the arts department, we had one art teacher whom made it a point to make sure that the art classes he taught were FAR from Mickey Mouse courses. He taught us basic comic strip design, fine arts, the color wheel, basic animation, how to use oils and acrylics and watercolors. SOOOOOO many kids dropped out of the class, while those of us whom actually were there to learn something stayed on and rocked.

Still, compared to several of the other high schools nearby, our school was HORRIBLE in the arts department. It WAS purely there to support it's football team and cheerleaders. PERIOD. After I had graduated in 1997, I heard talk through town and from band parents and remaining friends at the school whom had yet to graduate that the school board was considering dropping it's ENTIRE arts and music department, again to fund the damn football team. It didn't help any that the band teacher they had, the one that was around when I graduated, was sleeping around with one of his students and purposely flunking another because of the one he was sleeping with...

But just recently, I heard some FANTASTIC news from the current custodian of the school, an old friend of mine whom was once in my Dad's boy scout troop, and through my Ma whom was checking out the school's website one night. The schools arts and music department is ROCKING now, and Mr. O, my old art teacher, has managed to push his way up. The kids are now creating portfolios, they've FINALLY integrated the use of Photoshop and Illustrator and various 3D programs in to the art classes, they've added photography electives, graphic and communication design, and from what I'm reading on the website, there is now a graduation REQUIREMENT for Visual and Performing Arts and Computer Literacy.

When I was there, that was something the school board refused to even bat an eyelash now. So my old high school is FINALLY taking a step in the right direction. But I WISH they had done this when we were kids instead of telling those of us striving to become professional artists that if we became artists, we'd get no where in the world.

Sorry, but I'm not about to go all grey suit and tie and walk with the crowd. I'm tossing on my brightest, cutest clothing and walking in the other direction, spank you very much! XP

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yes.

I think they just burn you out fast because they are pulling ideas out of your head faster than you used to when you were drawing on your own. I remember all my all-nighters trying to hit deadlines in all the different courses. It was exhausting and I almost stopped drawing for myself because of it.

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So many truths in 20 minutes...I totally agree with the speaker...Thanx for posting this.

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you know, thats actually pretty interesting and something i've been hearing alot about lately.
Actually, i did read an article the other day that talked about the same things that the guy in the video was speaking about. The article however, mentioned someone else, mostly Leonardo Davinci. Strictly speaking, it said he was never went to school for any of the things he accomplished in his life, and yet he accomplished so much, mostly do to the fact that he just a very curious and creative person.
He was a painter, sculptor, inventor, anatomist, among serveral other professions. Because of his curiousity in wanting to learn anatomy and disecting dead people and stuff, we learned about anatomy and stuff.
I really agree with the heirachy and importance of education and the various techniques that school accomplish them is simply wrong. I'm not just saying simply because i was terrible at math (among other subjects,) but that not the point. Schools stress so much on test scores and funding that come because of those scores, that they negate other important subjects and supress creativity in the process, when they could have focused on those and seen seemly happier students and better test scores.
I think, atleast for america, that the government wants to subdue people into being unhappy, because unhappy people with debt from getting their [link] are easier to control then those that are not. And we have know that no wants a revolution caused from 'radical' thinking and creativity, cause that would simply be wrong. heh. Just look at the wonderfully creative person they've had in office for 8 years!

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You know I always had a hard time memorizing things. Unless i was intamately involved with the subject. Like some people just memorize math equations so they always know the answers but I still find myself counting on my fingurs from time to time. I think the one memorable expereince I had with learning happened though when I was in 3rd grade. Our teacher tought use to multiply using music and songs and to thins day I remember those songs and occasionaly they pop in my mine. In fact sometimes in highschool I had to sing the songs just to I could recall how to multiply things.

So I started listening to audio books instead of reading last year because I didn't have time to read. I found I retained the information longer and learned faster. so I learn through sound. Weird. Like if I sit down to read a page I can read it over and over and have a hard time because I found my mind wonders while I do things. I loose focus. Some call that ADD but I never been diagnosed. I learned best in college when I recorded lectured from class and listened to them as I read over material for class. so I know I learn differently from most.

It is interesting though how they try to put us all in a box and call us dumb when we some of us just can't get it.

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totally. i get way more work done at home than what i do in college. I just use college to get my animation paper and see the tutors when we have to. given the choice, i would just work non stop at home.

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